I'll clean this up later. Right now, I just need a text dump.
noahivaldi: So, help my studies: What is it that you even like about FFRK, aside from FF shit?
Fri July 29, 12:00:22pm
TheRealKhane: who are you asking?
Fri July 29, 12:00:29pm
Granveil: Anyone who's willing to answer.
Fri July 29, 12:00:31pm
Fri July 29, 12:01:08pm
Granveil: It scratches the FF itch better than anything FF-related I've played that's not one of those "Totally not FF" games by people who used to work on FF.
Fri July 29, 12:01:08pm
TheRealKhane: One thing I kind of liked was that I learned about characters and story line of the FF games I never played.
Fri July 29, 12:01:35pm
Granveil: (e.g. Lost Odyssey, Last Story, Bravely Default)
Fri July 29, 12:02:00pm
TheRealKhane: I think for a lot of people its the nostalgia feeling you get when you first play it.
Fri July 29, 12:02:17pm
stillrando: FFRK is a FF game I can fit into my daily schedule. And being at the end game, there isn't much grinding anymore. Hits the right nostalgia notes.
Fri July 29, 12:02:18pm
Granveil: I don't really have any kind of rational reason for playing it. I shouldn't play it but then I keep feeling like I'm missing content and that stresses me out.
Fri July 29, 12:02:21pm
noahivaldi: So, thus far, I'm hearing "just FF shit." What else, though?
Fri July 29, 12:03:05pm
Granveil: All mobile games suck and shouldn't be played but we do it anyway because most of us don't have the mental fortitude to quit or not start.
Fri July 29, 12:03:11pm
Granveil: That's basically it.
Fri July 29, 12:03:40pm
TheRealKhane: its a lot harder to quit once you spend money on gems for this game.
Fri July 29, 12:03:49pm
CB1981: for me, I always enjoyed the ATB combat system of the classic FF games, and this in some ways takes it a lot further than Square did a lot of the times (case in point, the NM battles), and I enjoy loot games. Coming up empty occasionally really doesn't bother me
Fri July 29, 12:03:52pm
Granveil: I've spent $5.
Fri July 29, 12:04:01pm
Granveil: I have no plans to spend more.
Fri July 29, 12:04:07pm
CB1981: plus, as said above, there's a lot of nostalgia to it for me too
Fri July 29, 12:04:14pm
Granveil: I figure sacrificing 5 Faygos for a mobile game isn't a big deal.
Fri July 29, 12:04:16pm
stillrando: I haven't spent any money, and i don't plan to.
Fri July 29, 12:04:25pm
TheRealKhane: I once bought 7k gems for FFT and regret lol
Fri July 29, 12:04:46pm
noahivaldi: Hmm. Sad. We're all aware of the nostalgia bias and the investment fallacy, yet, with rare exceptions, we find ourselves unable to escape it.
Fri July 29, 12:04:50pm
Granveil: 1 Faygo/100 gems = 99 cents
Fri July 29, 12:04:51pm
TheRealKhane: didn't get a single 5* relic and it just made me decide to never buy gems for 11 pulls
Fri July 29, 12:05:01pm
CB1981: i've been playing it a year and a half, which is a lot more than i put into a good many full priced retail console/pc games, so i don't mind throwing a few bucks at it here and there
Fri July 29, 12:05:19pm
Granveil: Noah: Basically. I have some genetic issues with addiction but thankfully I never started smoking or drinking.
Fri July 29, 12:05:30pm
TheRealKhane: it will be a year for me come October.
Fri July 29, 12:06:04pm
Granveil: Same here.
Fri July 29, 12:06:12pm
TheRealKhane: I think they will give us new halloween items.
Fri July 29, 12:06:14pm
noahivaldi: CB, from a personal perspective, that is perfectly reasonable. How, though, do you reconcile that with the fact that your money is going to A) be completely negligible to the devs and B) be a wallet-mouth statement that you are okay with their low quality?
Fri July 29, 12:06:36pm
NamelessOne111: @TheRealKhane Second copy of the old ones, except with their evade fixed
Fri July 29, 12:06:40pm
NamelessOne111: That'd make me laugh.
Fri July 29, 12:06:41pm
Granveil: I've bought REGULAR RPGs on mobile.
Fri July 29, 12:06:46pm
Fri July 29, 12:06:51pm
Granveil: Like 2.99 Kemco Games and TAY and RS2.
Fri July 29, 12:07:08pm
Granveil: But that's not really the same sort of "flushing money down the toilet" that buying gacha currency is unless you do IAPs.
Fri July 29, 12:07:10pm
NamelessOne111: As in, the FFX versions of them
Fri July 29, 12:07:13pm
noahivaldi: Gran, have you considered focusing your addictive nature toward a game that doesn't have microtransactions?
Fri July 29, 12:07:20pm
Granveil: See above.
Fri July 29, 12:07:22pm
CB1981: to A), i really don't see it any differently than, say the old era of paid subscription MMOs, or the fact that I never re-watch a movie i pay to see or replay many games i buy either
Fri July 29, 12:07:41pm
CB1981: it's part of the entertainment budget
Fri July 29, 12:07:44pm
noahivaldi: Right, well, those are markedly better, yes, but I meant like a totally free one that is still engaging.
Fri July 29, 12:07:48pm
Granveil: I've had health issues almost NON STOP since November 2015.
Fri July 29, 12:07:58pm
TheRealKhane: last night I got the celebration dagger and the shared rod from the gg store
Fri July 29, 12:08:13pm
Granveil: Sinus Infection->Bronchitis-.Cold->Cold Relapse->Constant Mental Stress From Selling House
Fri July 29, 12:08:21pm
CB1981: as for quality.. eh. for what i pay for it it seems reasonable enough to me. if i wasn't enjoying it i'd stop playing it
Fri July 29, 12:08:21pm
noahivaldi: Fun shit.
Fri July 29, 12:08:25pm
TheRealKhane: I decided not to combine them since I never pulled on a FFX banner
Fri July 29, 12:08:25pm
Granveil: And now I'm sick from summer weather.
Fri July 29, 12:08:38pm
Granveil: Basically I should be okay for normal games in a couple months.
Fri July 29, 12:08:56pm
Granveil: It's not like I NEVER play normal games, but I've just not felt healthy-enough to do much console gaming this year.
Fri July 29, 12:09:06pm
noahivaldi: CB: That reasoning is not entirely wrong, but look at it from a greater gaming perspective. How can we ever expect devs to up their game if we don't tell them that they should?
Fri July 29, 12:09:22pm
Granveil: I've played the fuck out of my 3DS.
Fri July 29, 12:09:31pm
Granveil: I'm almost at the end of PxZ2 and FE Fates on the Birthright path.
Fri July 29, 12:09:47pm
CB1981: Honestly, I really don't WANT this to be that much more complicated. I enjoy having something relatively simple to play on my phone on like, breaks at work, dr's visits, etc
Fri July 29, 12:09:54pm
CB1981: my complex stuff is for consoles/PCs
Fri July 29, 12:09:54pm
chriscorp: Hey dudes, I'm a spanish guy with a youtube channel based on ffrk, I upload videos of my battles and my strategy to win, so if you want, visit and leave your opinion about it, thank you!
Fri July 29, 12:10:00pm
Granveil: The past couple weeks were bad due to my back issues and my mother having to deal with her non-iodine diet and the surgery.
Fri July 29, 12:10:13pm
Granveil: Well, not surgery. Radiation-iodine treatment.
Fri July 29, 12:10:22pm
TheRealKhane: is she ok now?
Fri July 29, 12:10:36pm
Granveil: Yeah, she got the treatment yesterday morning and she'll be up and at 'em tomorrow morning.
Fri July 29, 12:10:48pm
Fri July 29, 12:11:04pm
TheRealKhane: hmmm the guy never gave us his youtube link.
Fri July 29, 12:11:21pm
chriscorp: Haha only put my name in youtube xD
Fri July 29, 12:11:46pm
chriscorp: Is a channel in spanish so maybe you don't understand
Fri July 29, 12:11:56pm
Granveil: Once my back issues and summer allergies sort themselves out I should be able to trippoh more often.
Fri July 29, 12:12:16pm
TheRealKhane: Ok I think I found your channel.
Fri July 29, 12:12:18pm
Granveil: Things would be worse if I was still at the old house. I wouldn't even be able to have the computer on during daylight hours.
Fri July 29, 12:12:22pm
chriscorp: Here is my channel link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXkayMgrhcbw8Zr_hMB9B1g
Fri July 29, 12:12:23pm
TheRealKhane: it's in spanish so it must be it
Fri July 29, 12:12:26pm
noahivaldi: CB: I didn't say anything about further complicating this game or anything else. I said improving the quality.
Fri July 29, 12:12:29pm
Granveil: And for all I know I would've lost power during rainstorms for DAYS.
Fri July 29, 12:12:44pm
noahivaldi: Gran: Have you considered Seinvocc? It's not a mobage game, but it is mobile-accessible.
Fri July 29, 12:12:46pm
Granveil: This apartment's on the part of a grid with a public service place so it goes back on REALLY fast.
Fri July 29, 12:13:03pm
Granveil: Is it a JRPG made by Japanese people?
Fri July 29, 12:13:20pm
Granveil: If not, then I'll pass.
Fri July 29, 12:13:37pm
chriscorp: I'm just starting to upload videos so, if you have any advice or something tell to me haha
Fri July 29, 12:13:49pm
chriscorp: In any case, anyone played FFBE?
Fri July 29, 12:14:36pm
Granveil: I've been hitting myself in the dick with that hammer, yes.
Fri July 29, 12:15:03pm
Granveil: (it's a metaphor)
Fri July 29, 12:15:14pm
CB1981: i guess i have a different definition then.. what exactly is really low quality about it?
Fri July 29, 12:15:47pm
TheRealKhane: @chriscorp I just saw your latest video.
Fri July 29, 12:15:55pm
CB1981: I can't get into BE. ive tried twice and it just doesn't grab my attention for whatever reason
Fri July 29, 12:16:07pm
noahivaldi: Yes, I play BE.
Fri July 29, 12:16:22pm
noahivaldi: Seinvocc has the elements of a JRPG along with other RPGs.
Fri July 29, 12:16:26pm
chriscorp: Ah great, @TheRealKhane and what's your opinion about it? (Sorry for my bad english)
Fri July 29, 12:17:14pm
Granveil: It's a mobile game. Mobile games are like hitting yourself in the dick with a hammer.
Fri July 29, 12:17:15pm
noahivaldi: Low quality elements include poor game balance, a Gacha system, RNG dependency (kinda' a part of the poor balance criticism), and unclear descriptions.
Fri July 29, 12:17:25pm
Granveil: Also I'm not feeling well so you shouldn't take me seriously.
Fri July 29, 12:17:50pm
noahivaldi: I take that seriously. Mobile app games really are like hitting yourself in the dick with a hammer.
Fri July 29, 12:17:58pm
Granveil: Also I'm still pissed FF Dimensions never got a Steam release.
Fri July 29, 12:18:14pm
Granveil: The biggest screen you can play it on is a tablet screen. That's lame.
Fri July 29, 12:18:14pm
CB1981: i'll definitely give you the shit descriptions. the game needs a lot more clarification in-game
Fri July 29, 12:18:15pm
TheRealKhane: @chriscorp your English is fine. It was a nice video.
Fri July 29, 12:18:39pm
noahivaldi: Oh, and of course, an energy system. Absolutely revolting.
Fri July 29, 12:19:14pm
chriscorp: BE, have something that invites me to play every day but... FFRK is my favourite haha
Fri July 29, 12:19:24pm
Granveil: At least all of Kemco's pay-once-and-done RPGs are fine mobile games!
Fri July 29, 12:19:34pm
Granveil: It's like a 16-bit RPG on your phone.
Fri July 29, 12:19:55pm
noahivaldi: Yeah, they're okay.
Fri July 29, 12:19:59pm
Granveil: Some of them have PSX graphics.
Fri July 29, 12:20:02pm
TheRealKhane: anyone here plays on an ipad type of device?
Fri July 29, 12:20:12pm
Granveil: It's a better use of 2.99 than gacha currency!
Fri July 29, 12:20:17pm
Granveil: Not as good as buying 3 Faygos.
Fri July 29, 12:20:22pm
noahivaldi: Not sure whether you're asking about Apple tablets specifically or tablets.
Fri July 29, 12:20:24pm
Granveil: I have FFD and FF5 on my iPod.
Fri July 29, 12:20:28pm
CB1981: eh, i don't love that, but it doesn't really bother me either, since i just find something else to do. without a stamina cost you could simply wipe all the content out in one day though
Fri July 29, 12:20:37pm
CB1981: i play on an android tablet and phone
Fri July 29, 12:20:38pm
Granveil: The screen's too fucking small.
Fri July 29, 12:20:43pm
TheRealKhane: I wanted to ask if you have problem with your device heating up?
Fri July 29, 12:20:48pm
noahivaldi: Yes, you could, and would that hinder the game at all?
Fri July 29, 12:21:05pm
noahivaldi: iPaids are always overheating. Water is wet.
Fri July 29, 12:21:10pm
Granveil: Gachagames are based around making you play for months and months and months.
Fri July 29, 12:21:19pm
chriscorp: Thanks @TheRealKhane actually I don't have so much visits per day but I like the game and upload it, I'm glad you like it
Fri July 29, 12:21:31pm
Granveil: My iPod never had heat problems. My phone only heats up when it's being charged.
Fri July 29, 12:21:31pm
CB1981: actually yes, because then it'd be imbalanced in the other direction since everyone would max out every 5 star ability in a week
Fri July 29, 12:21:45pm
TheRealKhane: @chriscorp yw
Fri July 29, 12:22:05pm
chriscorp: My friend plays in a Iphone 5S and doesn't have problems :S
Fri July 29, 12:22:27pm
nikolascmx: he is inside an iPhone 5s? cool
Fri July 29, 12:22:27pm
noahivaldi: And then, people would only get a challenge out of the endgame content, which they'd have to powercreep even more to keep players interested, further alienating new players, right?
Fri July 29, 12:22:40pm
TheRealKhane: lol niko
Fri July 29, 12:23:00pm
chriscorp: Oh sorry, my english sucks
Fri July 29, 12:23:01pm
noahivaldi: Right, right . . . But then, wouldn't the game not need an energy system if it were, you know, actually balanced?
Fri July 29, 12:23:19pm
chriscorp: I mean, "on" a iphone 5S
Fri July 29, 12:23:20pm
noahivaldi: Your English isn't so bad, Chris. Could use work, but then, so could most people's.
Fri July 29, 12:23:25pm
CB1981: litterally no final fantasy ever has been balanced, so I doubt they'd get it right that way either
Fri July 29, 12:23:32pm
nikolascmx: @chriscorp no problem, everyone understood what you meant, I was just making a joke xD
Fri July 29, 12:23:34pm
TheRealKhane: oh got another green drop!
Fri July 29, 12:23:50pm
Granveil: If they were going to get rid of the stamina system for FFBE they'd have to charge for downloads and then make gacha currency farmable so they could get profits.
Fri July 29, 12:23:56pm
nikolascmx: @TheRealKhane fuck you I got only 1 drop in more than 7 runs
Fri July 29, 12:23:59pm
Fri July 29, 12:24:04pm
Fri July 29, 12:24:07pm
noahivaldi: I'll give you that! I don't think that they could get it right with their current effort output, either.
Fri July 29, 12:24:21pm
noahivaldi: Then, what can we do to tell them to apply more effort?
Fri July 29, 12:24:22pm
Granveil: I'd pay 2.99 for a no-stamina FFBE that has infinite lapis.
Fri July 29, 12:24:29pm
TheRealKhane: if it makes you feel better, I got shot by the stupid aoe from the red dragon twice in a fight lol
Fri July 29, 12:24:35pm
chriscorp: Hahaha It's ok, you are nice people
Fri July 29, 12:24:43pm
Granveil: Global fanbase doesn't matter for games that aren't natively in English.
Fri July 29, 12:24:54pm
nikolascmx: @TheRealKhane nope, doesn't make me feel better, fuck you
Fri July 29, 12:24:55pm
CB1981: see, i really don't see there being much of an issue with it currently other than the fact mages suck currently, and that IS being addressed, with faithgas and chaincasts coming
Fri July 29, 12:24:56pm
Fri July 29, 12:24:58pm
Granveil: No matter what we ask of Gumi/Alim unless we're Japanese they'll laugh at us.
Fri July 29, 12:25:16pm
CB1981: no game based on getting loot is ever going to be balanced. there's no draw to the game if it is
Fri July 29, 12:25:18pm
noahivaldi: That's entirely true, Gran.
Fri July 29, 12:25:18pm
TheRealKhane: oh just got rinoa RM
Fri July 29, 12:25:22pm
noahivaldi: Verbally, that is.
Fri July 29, 12:25:47pm
TheRealKhane: niko too much salt is bad for you!
Fri July 29, 12:25:57pm
Granveil: I've had Rinoa's RMs for months!
Fri July 29, 12:26:01pm
noahivaldi: And yes, that's right, CB. I mean, I think that "loot-based" is a silly way to try to categorize games, but yes, games with this monetezation scheme need to be bad to make profits.
Fri July 29, 12:26:02pm
nikolascmx: nah, salt makes everything tastier
Fri July 29, 12:26:12pm
TheRealKhane: but too much can kill!
Fri July 29, 12:26:19pm
CB1981: even non-gatcha games with drops are like that
Fri July 29, 12:26:31pm
TheRealKhane: I finally decided to get my FF8 guys their RM for lvl 65
Fri July 29, 12:26:37pm
chriscorp: Hey anyone could defeat Ifrit with a FFVIII team? It's amazing how can defeat you so easily
Fri July 29, 12:26:39pm
CB1981: Diablo, PoE, PSO, etc, all have "best in slot" gear
Fri July 29, 12:26:58pm
Granveil: I don't even like games like that because none of them are "player party"-based.
Fri July 29, 12:27:06pm
shivan128: @chriscorp i will be trying tonight... will probably post my results here later
Fri July 29, 12:27:06pm
Granveil: You need other human players to make a party. Fuck that noise.
Fri July 29, 12:27:07pm
noahivaldi: So, what have we established? Mobage games profit by making people \buy power/, but depriving them of ever having enough power to experience the full game unless they're total whales, right?
Fri July 29, 12:27:14pm
Fri July 29, 12:27:23pm
TheRealKhane: now to sub in Irvine for Rinoa on my next run
Fri July 29, 12:27:39pm
Granveil: "mobage games" is redundant, btw. It's like those people who say "JRPG games".
Fri July 29, 12:27:58pm
noahivaldi: Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm not used to using the term "mobage."
Fri July 29, 12:28:00pm
CB1981: i'm almost a pure sololist in those games, ironically
Fri July 29, 12:28:09pm
Granveil: But yeah, you have a perfectly valid point.
Fri July 29, 12:28:11pm
noahivaldi: Thanks for the correction.
Fri July 29, 12:28:53pm
Granveil: I'm sure if I could convince myself I don't need gachagames in my life I could quit and use my phone to play 2.99 Kemco JRPGs while I'm on the toilet or out of the house, but I've yet to figure out how.
Fri July 29, 12:29:03pm
noahivaldi: Anyway, these games make profits in a way that is morally wrong. Plenty of devs make plenty of money without crossing certain lines. Just ask the EC folks. Then, how do we get more game content without all miraculously becoming whales?
Fri July 29, 12:29:10pm
shivan128: ugh, dont start with kemco games
Fri July 29, 12:29:15pm
Granveil: I LIKE THOSE GAMES.
Fri July 29, 12:29:25pm
Granveil: I HAVE LOW STANDARDS AND AM SO OLD NOTHING BOTHERS ME ANYMORE
Fri July 29, 12:29:29pm
shivan128: if you want lazy ass repetitive RPGS, kemco is for you
Fri July 29, 12:29:54pm
Granveil: I like JRPG comfort food.
Fri July 29, 12:29:58pm
MonkunRS: Kemco - We churn out RPGs by the hour.
Fri July 29, 12:29:58pm
noahivaldi: I have only just started my studies in Kemco games, but I will say that the storylines are quite predictable.
Fri July 29, 12:30:04pm
Granveil: Innovation gives me indigestion.
Fri July 29, 12:30:07pm
chriscorp: @shivan128 For me it's impossible with a FFVIII team, when he uses meteor it's the end hahaha I need a roaming warrior with sentinels grimoire, but I use shout...xD
Fri July 29, 12:30:51pm
noahivaldi: Is CB still here?
Fri July 29, 12:30:54pm
Granveil: Not literally, but I'm...a really sad and pathetic "low-hanging fruit" JRPG player who doesn't really care as long as it's a JRPG and not ridiculously hilariously fucking awful by my admittedly-low standards.
Fri July 29, 12:31:15pm
CB1981: i dunno,to me mobile's model just seems like a modern version of the arcade model, where you're paying to keep going unless you're able to find a way to stay alive without spending
Fri July 29, 12:31:20pm
shivan128: @chriscorp i think most teams lose once meteor hits
Fri July 29, 12:31:23pm
CB1981: but in fairness, i'm also a dinosaur
Fri July 29, 12:31:37pm
Granveil: Are you the one from Dinosaur Comics?!
Fri July 29, 12:31:38pm
noahivaldi: Funny that you should mention arcade games, CB!
Fri July 29, 12:32:16pm
Granveil: (that's a joke)
Fri July 29, 12:32:17pm
CB1981: no, i'm one of the creaky stop motion claymation ones
Fri July 29, 12:32:17pm
noahivaldi: You know, the games that are classically regarded as ripoff machines because of their insane difficulty that extorts quarter after quarter after quarter . . .
Fri July 29, 12:32:48pm
Granveil: The insane difficulty usually transfers to the console version D:
Fri July 29, 12:32:55pm
Granveil: At least arcade games can be emulated for free play mode!
Fri July 29, 12:33:09pm
Granveil: I seriously don't think there was ever a non-bullshit version of Altered Beast.
Fri July 29, 12:33:13pm
noahivaldi: Just recently watched a video about games that the devs made literally unbeatable . . . The horrors . . .
Fri July 29, 12:33:19pm
Granveil: SORRY I'M GOING OFF ON A TANGENT HERE
Fri July 29, 12:33:23pm
Granveil: I'M OLD. I DO THIS.
Fri July 29, 12:33:32pm
noahivaldi: No, you're fine. What you're talking about is perfectly relevant.
Fri July 29, 12:33:34pm
CB1981: I.. have a soft spot for Altered Beast (wise from your gwave!)
Fri July 29, 12:34:16pm
Granveil: But yeah, maybe when I stop being sick I can break the habit.
Fri July 29, 12:34:22pm
SilentJon69: so no Faris BSB hype??
Fri July 29, 12:34:24pm
chriscorp: @shivan128 Then you must have a lot of sinergy to resists his attacks
Fri July 29, 12:34:25pm
Granveil: I'm going on seven months of being in less than optimum health.
Fri July 29, 12:34:41pm
Granveil: Thank ghod I don't smoke or drink or else I'd look like I was in my 50s.
Fri July 29, 12:34:56pm
shivan128: @chriscorp i do... i will try my hardest to get through this fight... but without wall.
Fri July 29, 12:35:00pm
noahivaldi: So, if you look back at some arcade games that you played, you may say, "Okay, I probably shouldn't have spent as much as I did for that little bit of gameplay, but at least the actual total is a manageable amount," like, say, $50.
Fri July 29, 12:35:01pm
MonkunRS: So we're not getting Faris MC2?
Fri July 29, 12:35:10pm
Fri July 29, 12:35:11pm
Granveil: Nobody knows.
Fri July 29, 12:35:12pm
Fri July 29, 12:35:13pm
Fri July 29, 12:35:20pm
Granveil: (the trouble I've seen)
Fri July 29, 12:35:23pm
Granveil: (nobody knows but Jesus)
Fri July 29, 12:35:27pm
Granveil: (...she's a bass!)
Fri July 29, 12:35:41pm
Fri July 29, 12:35:52pm
CB1981: funny, she doesn't look Druish
Fri July 29, 12:35:52pm
noahivaldi: You look at the devs of those games and say, "You guys, that was dirty, but at least you gave me some fun that I couldn't get elsewhere."
Fri July 29, 12:35:57pm
Granveil: Actually, I think Faris would have a low-for-a-female voice.
Fri July 29, 12:36:07pm
noahivaldi: Now, look at mobage devs and say the same thing.
Fri July 29, 12:36:23pm
Granveil: Like in JP that woman who's known for voicing young men and reverse traps.
Fri July 29, 12:36:32pm
noahivaldi: You can't, right? The entertainment that they provide could be obtained much more cheaply elsewhere.
Fri July 29, 12:36:36pm
Granveil: I forgot her name. She's the JP VA for Mao from Disgaea 3 and the in-game voice of Makoto from Idolmaster.
Fri July 29, 12:36:48pm
CB1981: i don't disagree that some of them are super shady (Game of War for example, that game is pretty much unplayable if you don't throw bundles of cash at it)
Fri July 29, 12:36:56pm
noahivaldi: I think that I know who you're talking about, Gran, but I don't recall the name.
Fri July 29, 12:37:10pm
CB1981: but i think bang for your buck is a subjective thing
Fri July 29, 12:37:13pm
Granveil: Makoto had a different VA in the anime. I want to say Eri Kitamura.
Fri July 29, 12:37:20pm
Granveil: Who is <3 like whoa.
Fri July 29, 12:37:24pm
Fri July 29, 12:37:27pm
Granveil: She's also Homura (the Senran) and Juri Han.
Fri July 29, 12:37:53pm
CB1981: gaw, damn. I really wanted her MC2.
Fri July 29, 12:38:09pm
CB1981: I'm guessing it'll be a hall of rites drop for us
Fri July 29, 12:38:15pm
Granveil: I'm terrified of Juri but I think she's fucking hot.
Fri July 29, 12:38:34pm
Granveil: I'm less-afraid of the Amazonians from Futurama as I am of Juri.
Fri July 29, 12:38:47pm
noahivaldi: And how much bang are you getting? You are playing a game that can be wiped out without a trace, no replayability, no compensation, no nothing, at any moment, and you can spend $400 and still be gated off from half the game. The whole game's content is less than that of a \real/ game, and you'll never see half of it.
Fri July 29, 12:38:52pm
CB1981: well, death by sno-sno is a decent way to go
Fri July 29, 12:39:12pm
Fri July 29, 12:39:15pm
Granveil: If we're talking tall girl snoo-snoo I'd prefer Yuugi or Kanako.
Fri July 29, 12:39:25pm
Fri July 29, 12:39:37pm
Granveil: Well, Kanako's not TALL TALL, she's probably 6'. But if Yuugi's less than 6'3" I'll be amazed.
Fri July 29, 12:39:41pm
sanikku: Can someone explain whats going on in jp
Fri July 29, 12:39:47pm
Granveil: What do you mean?
Fri July 29, 12:39:49pm
Fri July 29, 12:39:50pm
CB1981: yeah, and if someone wants to spend their whole paycheck on a game and subsidize the rest of us, they can go for it for all i care
Fri July 29, 12:39:53pm
noahivaldi: Hi, fast-goer.
Fri July 29, 12:40:05pm
CB1981: it's no different than someone blowing their money in vegas or whatever
Fri July 29, 12:40:06pm
sanikku: There was a movie when i launchedthe game
Fri July 29, 12:40:15pm
sanikku: Hey @misspelled10 @noahivaldi
Fri July 29, 12:40:18pm
noahivaldi: Quite different, actually.
Fri July 29, 12:40:21pm
Granveil: Because Multiplayer is now 100% official.
Fri July 29, 12:40:26pm
Fri July 29, 12:40:47pm
noahivaldi: If someone gambles in Vegas, they have chances, albeit low, of walking away with some gains in their drunken stupor.
Fri July 29, 12:40:50pm
Granveil: So everyone got a massive injection of mythril.
Fri July 29, 12:40:55pm
Fri July 29, 12:40:59pm
sanikku: Alright thanks
Fri July 29, 12:41:35pm
noahivaldi: When someone gambles in a game like this, they aren't just supporting a casino of poor odds; they're supporting a deceptive casino in the gaming industry.
Fri July 29, 12:42:14pm
noahivaldi: Now, as a native Nevadan, I will say that casinos have their place in society, and that their mere existence is not a blight upon anything or anyone except those with an obsessive compulsion.
Fri July 29, 12:42:40pm
Granveil: I don't gamble IRL. Not even the "bet you $5 that..." kind of gambling.
Fri July 29, 12:43:17pm
chriscorp: @shivan128 Without Wall, OMG, Get lucky!!!
Fri July 29, 12:43:17pm
Granveil: The face on the FF14 event banner in JP is terrifying.
Fri July 29, 12:43:21pm
MonkunRS: Casinos are fun
Fri July 29, 12:43:32pm
noahivaldi: As a gamer and dev, though, I will say that deceptive casinos in gaming form have no place being 85%+ of the monetezation models for our entertainment.
Fri July 29, 12:43:34pm
misspelled10: Nevada!! cool!
Fri July 29, 12:43:54pm
MonkunRS: not the "manufactured" casino known as gacha games though
Fri July 29, 12:43:55pm
Granveil: I've never been to Vegas. Hell, I've ONLY been on the west side of the Mississippi River to go to San Francisco in 1998.
Fri July 29, 12:44:02pm
noahivaldi: Monk gets it.
Fri July 29, 12:44:19pm
noahivaldi: Yeah, most of we Nevadans avoid Vegas, too.
Fri July 29, 12:44:24pm
noahivaldi: By about 400 miles, in fact.
Fri July 29, 12:44:38pm
Granveil: My uncle lives in Vegas now.
Fri July 29, 12:44:42pm
noahivaldi: My condolences.
Fri July 29, 12:44:45pm
Granveil: I don't know if he's still a bail bondsman or he retired.
Fri July 29, 12:44:49pm
CB1981: i really don't see what's so deceptive about it, nowhere do you get promised anything, nor do you have to pay money to do so, since they give you in game currency.
Fri July 29, 12:44:59pm
CB1981: manipulative, sure, but not deceptive
Fri July 29, 12:45:00pm
Granveil: He's not even 60, though.
Fri July 29, 12:45:16pm
Granveil: 56 years old, 3 children, 2 of them under 12 years old.
Fri July 29, 12:45:21pm
noahivaldi: A casino in the "real" world is clearly labeled as a casino.
Fri July 29, 12:45:26pm
Granveil: His eldest daughter is like 3 years younger than me.
Fri July 29, 12:45:50pm
nikolascmx: ^ what CB says
Fri July 29, 12:45:57pm
Granveil: HEY WHERE'S OMEGA
Fri July 29, 12:46:04pm
Granveil: I AM SUMMONING YOUR BARTZ BEAM TODAY
Fri July 29, 12:46:19pm
noahivaldi: If someone doesn't understand casinos and how the odds are against the players, but players have reasons to play anyway, they not only have a wide range of resources to look up the obvious facts, but casino staff will actually explain it all from the ground up.
Fri July 29, 12:46:26pm
MonkunRS: Well one of the biggest thing imo is that there's like zero transparency outside of Japan for gacha - you can calculate the odds on any casino game depending on the rule variations. Gacha is like... whatever the dev/finance teams feel like
Fri July 29, 12:46:47pm
Granveil: Noah: You can also be "skilled" and "unskilled" at things like Poker and Blackjack.
Fri July 29, 12:46:52pm
nikolascmx: it's like everything in this world now has to be retarded proof "Look, these gems you're buying, you're exchanging them for real money" "Press Yes if you understand"
Fri July 29, 12:46:53pm
noahivaldi: Exactly, Monk.
Fri July 29, 12:47:16pm
noahivaldi: No, Nikolas, that's not what I'm saying. Don't put words in my mouth. Hear me out.
Fri July 29, 12:48:01pm
Granveil: Although I sort of get how to play blackjack I'd never actually try to win money in it in Vegas.
Fri July 29, 12:48:02pm
noahivaldi: And yes, many gambling games involve user variation, which at least partially compensates for their \already calculated and established/ bad odds.
Fri July 29, 12:48:25pm
nikolascmx: I sometimes read new about kids emptying their parents credit cards on mobile game like Clash of whaterever
Fri July 29, 12:48:40pm
Granveil: I'd probably spend $5 on nickel slots, then go back to the hotel room, crank one out at the iPad, shower, and go to bed.
Fri July 29, 12:48:54pm
noahivaldi: In a mobage, you do not walk into a casino, you do not show ID, and you do not have anyone sitting right next to you and advising you against spending your grocery money.
Fri July 29, 12:49:40pm
noahivaldi: You are allowed and even encouraged to join as early as possible and spend as much as you have.
Fri July 29, 12:50:08pm
Granveil: BAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRTZ BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAMMMMMMMMMMMMMUUUUUUUUU
Fri July 29, 12:50:10pm
Fri July 29, 12:50:13pm
noahivaldi: But hey, enough of regulations! That still doesn't make it "deceptive," just wrong on other levels, right?
Fri July 29, 12:50:15pm
CB1981: most casinos will happily take your grocery money and do all sorts of things to keep you playing, from free food and comp'd drinks to not having clocks or windows to keep you from realizing how long you've been there
Fri July 29, 12:50:17pm
nikolascmx: indeed but that's when Natural selection happens
Fri July 29, 12:50:25pm
nikolascmx: i'm pro Natural selection
Fri July 29, 12:50:40pm
CB1981: yeah, take all the warning labels off of everything and let darwin sort'em out
Fri July 29, 12:50:51pm
noahivaldi: Sure, sure, there are bad parts of real casinos, too. I'm not here to glorify them.
Fri July 29, 12:50:53pm
nikolascmx: I don't want to sound like a dick but yes, that's my thought
Fri July 29, 12:51:31pm
Granveil: Aren't casinos mostly just a government-sancionted way of letting the native Americans get us back for all the shit we did to them? (that's a joke)
Fri July 29, 12:51:33pm
noahivaldi: Yeah, sure, let people waste as much money as they want. Sure, sure. People are free to make bad decisions, and others are free to call those decisions bad. No arguments there.
Fri July 29, 12:52:16pm
nikolascmx: i don't even judge those decisions, i'm not the type
Fri July 29, 12:52:25pm
Granveil: At this point I have nothing meaningful to contribute to the conversation and am just being an asshole.
Fri July 29, 12:52:26pm
nikolascmx: i'm about individualism
Fri July 29, 12:52:37pm
noahivaldi: This is known and limited to adults, whom are supposed to be of an age at which they should know things and are held accountable in casinos . . . but even the youngest kids are targeted in mobages.
Fri July 29, 12:52:38pm
CB1981: @Granveil I laughed at it because i am too
Fri July 29, 12:53:13pm
noahivaldi: But hey, let's look beyond that. We're still trying too hard to focus on the individual.
Fri July 29, 12:53:15pm
Granveil: Mobile games suck, they shouldn't exist, but there's nothing sane people can do except lament.
Fri July 29, 12:53:19pm
shivan128: i expect 50% of my gem purchases back as a refund. =/
Fri July 29, 12:53:20pm
CB1981: sorry, if you don't password your account and prevent your kids from spending your money on a video game, I'm not blaming the kid for that
Fri July 29, 12:53:27pm
nikolascmx: @Granveil lol
Fri July 29, 12:54:24pm
noahivaldi: No, man, kids can have their own phones and . . . You know, I said that we need to get away from the individual analysis, and thart clearly isn't going to happen if I don't lead the way.
Fri July 29, 12:55:04pm
noahivaldi: So, here we go: Where does this money \go/?
Fri July 29, 12:55:34pm
Granveil: To pay for the game's upkeep so it can continue to make money?
Fri July 29, 12:55:45pm
Granveil: And also fund coke parties during lucrative seasons?
Fri July 29, 12:55:48pm
noahivaldi: To the devs, yes, but what part of it actually matters to the upkeep?
Fri July 29, 12:55:56pm
noahivaldi: Mostly fund coke parties, haha.
Fri July 29, 12:55:56pm
CB1981: don't forget the fat ceo's second yacht
Fri July 29, 12:55:56pm
Granveil: Who knows!
Fri July 29, 12:56:06pm
noahivaldi: Third yacht, mate. Third.
Fri July 29, 12:56:44pm
noahivaldi: Okay, well, some basic metrics tell you that mobages make almost ALL their profits on less than 8% of their players.
Fri July 29, 12:57:11pm
nikolascmx: the so called Whales
Fri July 29, 12:57:18pm
Fri July 29, 12:57:28pm
noahivaldi: Almost. All. Think about it. We're not talking about some higher-paying individuals providing a majority of the support. We're talking about a few whales bringing in boatloads of cash.
Fri July 29, 12:57:44pm
noahivaldi: No need to be sorry. That's right. We call them whales. You know where the term came from, right?
Fri July 29, 12:58:05pm
Fri July 29, 12:58:09pm
nikolascmx: nope, I do not know, I just embraced the term
Fri July 29, 12:58:13pm
noahivaldi: Try again.
Fri July 29, 12:58:14pm
Granveil: The whole "the ones keeping the game afloat" thing.
Fri July 29, 12:58:28pm
Granveil: Someone told me and I forgot because I'm senile.
Fri July 29, 12:59:02pm
noahivaldi: The ones that pop up out of the ocean and make a big splash, though not necessarily a useful one.
Fri July 29, 12:59:16pm
noahivaldi: It's a gambling term. It came from poker.
Fri July 29, 12:59:56pm
noahivaldi: Just gonna' let that sink in for a bit.
Fri July 29, 1:00:00pm
nikolascmx: well from the devs POV those splashes are always useful
Fri July 29, 1:00:43pm
nikolascmx: but that's kind of obvious
Fri July 29, 1:00:50pm
noahivaldi: Yes, the gaming adaptation of the term does carry the implication that the splashes are useful. You're right.
Fri July 29, 1:01:33pm
Granveil: imma gonna stop being here and go do something else
Fri July 29, 1:01:42pm
noahivaldi: So, the whales (the heavy-hitting gamblers) provide all of the support and literal boatloads of profit all on their own.
Fri July 29, 1:01:42pm
Granveil: Maybe lay down to make my back hurt less
Fri July 29, 1:01:53pm
noahivaldi: You should lay down and be here at the same time, Gran.
Fri July 29, 1:02:11pm
Granveil: My PC is too far away from the bed and I'm not chatting here on my mobile.
Fri July 29, 1:02:30pm
noahivaldi: Fair. Take it easy, mate.
Fri July 29, 1:02:40pm
Granveil: Have fun doing whatever it is you do in life! :3
Fri July 29, 1:02:45pm
noahivaldi: Take the food for thought that I have given, and come back for more later. :3
Fri July 29, 1:02:47pm
Fri July 29, 1:02:51pm
nikolascmx: so the game technically gets the upkeep just thanks (or cause?) to those few ones
Fri July 29, 1:03:08pm
justinkal: How high should BDs be honed for Nightmare CPU?
Fri July 29, 1:03:25pm
noahivaldi: Right, Nikolas. The game's upkeep is 10,000% paid for by the whales
Fri July 29, 1:03:40pm
noahivaldi: . . . and our money is legit not even coffee money to the devs.
Fri July 29, 1:03:41pm
CB1981: depends on how much damage you can throw at the cpu itself, but r3 is probably okay for most builds, i imagine
Fri July 29, 1:03:47pm
MonkunRS: Can anyone that plays FFBE test this? http://ffbe.kongbakpao.com/test-page/
Fri July 29, 1:03:53pm
noahivaldi: Justin: I'd advise R3.
Fri July 29, 1:04:03pm
justinkal: If 4 characters are above the softcap after native Shout?
Fri July 29, 1:04:24pm
CB1981: do you have any big burst SBs you can focus on the CPU?
Fri July 29, 1:04:33pm
justinkal: And the fifth is white mage Tyro with native SG.
Fri July 29, 1:04:35pm
nikolascmx: So the aegeal question is, should we love "whales"?
Fri July 29, 1:04:54pm
nikolascmx: i'm still uncertain about giving a yes
Fri July 29, 1:05:10pm
noahivaldi: Monk: Looks right.
Fri July 29, 1:05:17pm
MonkunRS: Awesome, thanks Noah
Fri July 29, 1:05:29pm
noahivaldi: No prob.
Fri July 29, 1:05:38pm
noahivaldi: We should have mixed feelings toward whales.
Fri July 29, 1:05:52pm
CB1981: eh, they subsidize the game for me, so i'm okay with'em. i'm not convinced the whale freemium model will be one that lasts for a long time though. I think at some point that model will crash
Fri July 29, 1:05:53pm
noahivaldi: And we should have much worse, but still mixed feelings toward the devs.
Fri July 29, 1:05:55pm
justinkal: Party is Tyro with most of his Grimoires, Ramza with all his SBs, Quina with MG9, Gordon with Goddess's Bell, and Sazh with both Boon and SSB.
Fri July 29, 1:06:22pm
noahivaldi: CB: Oh, you stumbled right into my next point again! Man, it's like I've been in this discussion a few times. xD
Fri July 29, 1:06:36pm
noahivaldi: That's a pretty sexy party, Justin.
Fri July 29, 1:06:42pm
justinkal: Goddess's Bell is AOE 3 hit dual BD, and Ramza can bring Hail of Stones.
Fri July 29, 1:07:01pm
noahivaldi: So yes, this monetezation model should crash. Should \have crashed/, as a matter of fact . . . but it hasn't.
Fri July 29, 1:07:03pm
CB1981: aoe can be dangerous in the CPU fight because it can force him to phase 3 if you kill both nodes in 2
Fri July 29, 1:07:16pm
CB1981: that's where i ran into trouble, myself
Fri July 29, 1:07:23pm
justinkal: It's AOE, but it's a regular SB
Fri July 29, 1:07:23pm
noahivaldi: Remember, though, Justin, that it won't count as the Breakdowns.
Fri July 29, 1:07:58pm
noahivaldi: As the EC folks point out, this model keeps getting reused, and it's been years and years.
Fri July 29, 1:08:01pm
justinkal: Alternatively, Gordon has one of the best default SBs in the entire game
Fri July 29, 1:08:34pm
noahivaldi: Especially in this industry, that's an eternity.
Fri July 29, 1:08:53pm
noahivaldi: We have a system that isn't working. We keep using it. Can someone tell me why?
Fri July 29, 1:08:58pm
CB1981: as long as you're careful not to kill them both at the same time you're fine.. they respawn and you have the 10 rounds before quad, so it should probably be doable
Fri July 29, 1:09:31pm
nikolascmx: @noahivaldi I guess because "Inertia"
Fri July 29, 1:09:33pm
justinkal: Ramza's Hail of Stones or Tailwind could be useful too, so his second slot is going to be Lifesiphon.
Fri July 29, 1:09:46pm
nikolascmx: idk if that's the right word, I translated it
Fri July 29, 1:10:07pm
nikolascmx: inactivity, passivity
Fri July 29, 1:10:08pm
noahivaldi: Inertia is one correct word, yes.
Fri July 29, 1:10:15pm
CB1981: yeah, i used hail of stones for damage output myself.. i actually wound up bringing a non-support combat guy for exact focus
Fri July 29, 1:10:22pm
noahivaldi: Oh, if that's what you were going for, no, it's not.
Fri July 29, 1:10:23pm
CB1981: extra, rather
Fri July 29, 1:10:25pm
shivan128: single target physical attack is the way to go
Fri July 29, 1:10:31pm
justinkal: Should I put a SB bar RM on Tyro for SG, or on Quina for MG9?
Fri July 29, 1:10:48pm
nikolascmx: idk Inertia was the first result
Fri July 29, 1:10:51pm
CB1981: SG.. the only time you need it is phase one when the attack node is blasting you
Fri July 29, 1:10:55pm
noahivaldi: But then, that means that you've hit two points of the right answer, Nikolas.
Fri July 29, 1:10:58pm
justinkal: And what's a good RW for CPU if you have all that stuff native?
Fri July 29, 1:11:16pm
CB1981: @justinkal I actually RW'd shout so i could focus on throwing rocks with Ramza
Fri July 29, 1:11:38pm
noahivaldi: Here's the answer: As far as the devs are concerned, this model that totally \does not work/ for anyone in the long term, dev or player, "works" to them.
Fri July 29, 1:11:44pm
noahivaldi: And why do they think that?
Fri July 29, 1:12:05pm
justinkal: @CB1981 Ace Striker or sword damage?
Fri July 29, 1:12:16pm
CB1981: because very few companies are willing/capable of thinking long term.
Fri July 29, 1:12:25pm
CB1981: hell, few people ing eneral are
Fri July 29, 1:12:28pm
noahivaldi: Justin, when all else fails, bringing a nice BSB for more damage output is nice.
Fri July 29, 1:12:40pm
CB1981: i went with ace, myself
Fri July 29, 1:12:54pm
CB1981: the RS from being in NM seemed plenty for actual damage
Fri July 29, 1:12:57pm
noahivaldi: There's truth to that, CB, but these companies \have/ to in order to survive and receive support, right?
Fri July 29, 1:13:38pm
nikolascmx: short term means means money in hand right now or very soon, lucidity goes lacking and rip long term
Fri July 29, 1:13:45pm
noahivaldi: Oho, but they don't. They have in the past, and they've made good decisions in the past . . . but the people in charge are getting old, and they don't care about the long term, any more. They just want to get what "works" in the short term and cash out.
Fri July 29, 1:14:21pm
noahivaldi: Right. So then, our problem is, ding ding ding, we are supporting their addiction to short-term profits.
Fri July 29, 1:15:42pm
noahivaldi: "But Noah," I hear you say, "if our money is so insignificant to them, what does it matter what we do or don't support? How does this evolve beyond the individual decisions for those of us that aren't whales?"
Fri July 29, 1:15:59pm
noahivaldi: "Er, those that aren't, and also will never have the money to become whales, ehehe?"
Fri July 29, 1:16:43pm
noahivaldi: That's the funny part that's hard to get people's heads around: How much our wallets speak is WAY disproportionate to how much they actually put out.
Fri July 29, 1:18:15pm
noahivaldi: If a game, say FFRK got actually 100% of its profits from whales, not a single casual spender at all, their profits would not noticeably suffer. That's true. However, the devs obtain metrics on this. They're really excited about metrics, probably too much so, in some cases . . .
Fri July 29, 1:18:42pm
noahivaldi: Anyway, they would \notice/. They'd notice this, and they'd see that something changed, and probably in a negative way.
Fri July 29, 1:18:53pm
Fri July 29, 1:18:53pm
Fri July 29, 1:18:57pm
justinkal: Actually, since I won't even be using Quina's MG9, I'll swap for Fran so that I can have Powerchain for DPS at the end.
Fri July 29, 1:18:59pm
MonkunRS: dog e
Fri July 29, 1:18:59pm
noahivaldi: Moreover, whales would see the same trends.
Fri July 29, 1:19:03pm
Fri July 29, 1:19:07pm
noahivaldi: Yo, Victorys.
Fri July 29, 1:19:11pm
Fri July 29, 1:19:19pm
CB1981: @justinkal yeah, that'd probably make more sense.. the burst of damage will help
Fri July 29, 1:19:27pm
noahivaldi: I relayed your "WHALEEEEEEE!" to someone yesterday. I think that it was Monk.
Fri July 29, 1:19:39pm
misspelled10: lol granveil
Fri July 29, 1:19:53pm
Victorys1996: @noahivaldi I'm proud.
Fri July 29, 1:20:15pm
nikolascmx: @Victorys1996 now go back and read it all, it's your fault
Fri July 29, 1:20:18pm
noahivaldi: So, we cheap-asses can get noticed by the whales and devs in some way.
Fri July 29, 1:20:23pm
Fri July 29, 1:20:24pm
Fri July 29, 1:20:24pm
Fri July 29, 1:20:42pm
noahivaldi: If we can be noticed, the game can change.
Fri July 29, 1:20:46pm
justinkal: There's another support whom I have a good SB for, but I'm not considering bringing. Edward
Fri July 29, 1:20:56pm
noahivaldi: And more importantly than just any one game changing, attitudes can change.
Fri July 29, 1:21:04pm
Fri July 29, 1:21:06pm
Fri July 29, 1:21:13pm
Fri July 29, 1:21:47pm
Fri July 29, 1:22:09pm
strugglehevy: got my 1st big fag lucky draw dud lol
Fri July 29, 1:22:15pm
noahivaldi: If whales get the message that, if they want to just pay to stomp people, they can pay to stomp each other until they realize how boring it is, and if devs get the message that cheap-asses aren't going to buy into or even try their dumbass games as long as it's just that . . .
Fri July 29, 1:22:20pm
strugglehevy: big fat*
Fri July 29, 1:22:42pm
noahivaldi: . . . devs will have to wake up to the fact that their monetezation model is bogus, so they'll inevitably have to try a new one.
Fri July 29, 1:23:01pm
noahivaldi: Those that don't, that stick with this one, will die off. As...
Fri July 29, 1:23:30pm
Fri July 29, 1:24:07pm
noahivaldi: With a different monetezation model, maybe one from the other ~1...
Fri July 29, 1:24:26pm
noahivaldi: They'd get better, devs would be rewarded more in the long t...
Fri July 29, 1:24:47pm
nikolascmx: and games would also get of higher quality...
Fri July 29, 1:24:57pm
noahivaldi: That's what I said.
Fri July 29, 1:25:14pm
nikolascmx: oh yeah, misread that line...
Fri July 29, 1:26:16pm
Fri July 29, 1:26:22pm
nikolascmx: now it remains to see just how long will this process take...
Fri July 29, 1:26:26pm
CB1981: frankly i don't expect anything to change until we hit anoth...
Fri July 29, 1:26:27pm
noahivaldi: What does that leave, then? "Okay, Noah, I get how that wor...
Fri July 29, 1:27:08pm
noahivaldi: Maybe it'll take an industry crash to do it. Maybe. But then...
Fri July 29, 1:27:09pm
nikolascmx: how? heh ...
Fri July 29, 1:27:39pm
noahivaldi: No matter how you look at it, with what level of hope or lack th...
Fri July 29, 1:28:01pm
nikolascmx: are you talking about a gaming industry crash or specifically mo...
Fri July 29, 1:28:05pm
noahivaldi: Start having your wallet send the right message, and have your m...
Fri July 29, 1:28:16pm
noahivaldi: Could be either, Nikolas.
Fri July 29, 1:28:40pm
nikolascmx: i think the crash of the first could easily domino the mobile on...
Fri July 29, 1:28:57pm
nikolascmx: not sure about the mobile industry alone...
Fri July 29, 1:29:06pm
noahivaldi: Don't pay into them, mention in public places like this that...
Fri July 29, 1:29:26pm
nikolascmx: but how? that's (mis)fortune teller shit
Fri July 29, 1:29:58pm
kite0404: Well my friend dovi sent me a picture of his "lucky draw" and my sympathies for him
Fri July 29, 1:30:07pm
CB1981: there's the problem for you though, for the level of money i throw at ffrk (a few bucks here and there), i'm happy with the product i get. It's worth the couple bucks for the entertainment value to me
Fri July 29, 1:30:15pm
Victorys1996: @kite0404 Looks just like mines!
Fri July 29, 1:30:19pm
noahivaldi: Obviously, a gaming industry crash would have domino effects on all sorts of things. People don't realize how pertinent entertainment is to sane society. A nation made it through a 12-year drought because of gaming. We've made substantial progress toward disease cures because of gaming.
Fri July 29, 1:30:44pm
strugglehevy: @kite0404 that was my un-lucky draw aswell lol
Fri July 29, 1:30:55pm
noahivaldi: Then, CB, you're still just looking at the individual level.
Fri July 29, 1:30:58pm
Victorys1996: More members of our 0/11 club, nice
Fri July 29, 1:30:58pm
CB1981: i don't really need a revolution in the game industry for something i play when i'm taking a shit or on break at work.
Fri July 29, 1:31:21pm
CB1981: sorry, but i'm just not that much of an idealist.
Fri July 29, 1:31:33pm
nikolascmx: @noahivaldi censorship also comes into place, certain behaviours by consumers often aren't tolerated by money machine company
Fri July 29, 1:31:52pm
noahivaldi: Then I pity you, CB.
Fri July 29, 1:32:34pm
nikolascmx: DeNa is one of them, in the last 10 years it expanded like plague in the middle age lol
Fri July 29, 1:32:58pm
CB1981: don't need your pity, but thanks.
Fri July 29, 1:33:02pm
noahivaldi: Ugh, DeNA in particular is horrible . . .
Fri July 29, 1:34:13pm
noahivaldi: Revolutions, even the minor ones, don't happen overnight, and I never meant to suggest that one could. Well, okay, this is gaming; it actually is feasible for a revolution to occur much more quickly than in other venues . . .
Fri July 29, 1:34:32pm
noahivaldi: I just mean to say that nothing happens at all if we keep our heads down and keep following the herd.
Fri July 29, 1:35:16pm
CB1981: in my experience the only thing that ever matters is voting with your wallet, and again, the real issue to me is for the few dollars i spend on it, i am satisfied with the product for the most part
Fri July 29, 1:36:00pm
CB1981: the ONLY issue i've ever had with this game was that DeNAs customer support is garbage, and THAT, more than anything else, is why i haven't paid them a cent in a few months now
Fri July 29, 1:36:13pm
nikolascmx: indeed but let's just say that this warped society has solid roots, revolution will get harder to make day after day
nikolascmx: not impossible of course
CB1981: (and they're fully aware of that, since I said as much in an email to them)
Everything else goes here. Just be respectful, of course, but RP rules don't apply.
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